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After the Conventions: Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election, Obama or Romney?

Now that the Democratic and Republican delegates have officially chosen their nominees, Patch wants to know: Who are you betting on?

It's official: With President Barack Obama's acceptance speech in Charlotte Thursday night, both the Republicans and Democrats have formally chosen their nominees for the 2012 presidential election. Let the real race begin.

A lot can change between now and Nov. 6: Gaffes, scandals or even major international news events could shift the dynamics of the campaign.

The latest Gallup Polls show registered voters preferring Obama to Mitt Romney by just one percentage point, 47 percent to 46 percent. A USA Today/Gallup poll taken just before the party conventions found American voters think Obama is more likeable, but trust Romney more to handle the economy.

Pundits have been busy for months handicapping the major-party candidates on various factors: incumbent advantage, fundraising clout, even religion.

Patch wants to know: Regardless of who you support for President, who do you think will actually claim victory in November?

Vote in our poll below, and let us know your thoughts in our comments section.

JaySmith September 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm
So many independents, moderates, and even some Dem-registereds, have lost faith in Obama and are switching to vote for Mitt. Many have realized that Obama's actions, the ones that affect the private sector of the economy, have not only been ineffecitve in helping....but are actually irresponsible and reckless for our future, esp the future of young people who want to enter the workforce. There is almost NO ONE who voted for McCain, who's changed their mind and will now vote for Obama. The news media hasn't described how rare this type of person is! Think about that, Patch readers. EVERY state will shift some significant % from O, to against O. He has been a thoroughly awful president, and has defaulted on all his promises and flat-out lied for 5 years now. Hopefully he can be returned back to Chicago -- to 'organize' the community and get SOMETHING right, for once.
commentmaker4 September 8, 2012 at 04:03 pm
FiveThirtyEight - Nate Silver\'s Political Calculus
September 7, 2012, 9:10 pm76 Comments Sept. 7: Polls Find Hints of Obama Convention Bounce By NATE SILVER The three national tracking polls that were published on Friday all moved toward President Obama, probably reflecting momentum from the Democratic convention. In the Gallup national tracking poll, Mr. Obama moved into a three-point lead over Mitt Romney, up from one point on Thursday. What’s a bit more worrisome for Mr. Romney is that Gallup’s reporting of the head-to-head results in its poll occurs over a lengthy seven-day window, meaning that only a minority of the interviews in the poll were conducted after the major speeches at the Democratic convention. In fact, most of the interviews in the poll were conducted just after the Republican convention in Tampa, Fla., a period in which Mr. Romney should have been enjoying a convention bounce of his own. Gallup’s approval ratings, however, are published over a three-day window, meaning that they will be quicker to respond to shifts in opinion. Mr. Obama’s approval ratings shot up to 52 percent in the version of poll published on Friday, while his disapproval ratings declined to 43 percent. The FiveThirtyEight forecast model does not use approval ratings directly, but this is a sign that there could be more good news for Mr. Obama in the head-to-head portion of the poll in the days ahead.
JaySmith September 8, 2012 at 05:32 pm
CommentMaker: Either you're right and Americans are getting more economically illiterate every week........or these are not 'likely voters' so the poll is meaningless. And Democrats are usually overpolled in these.
Dave Winterling September 9, 2012 at 05:09 am
Four simple FACTS to help you make up your mind...
Jan 2009 NOW Unemployment 7.8% Unemployment over 8% (for 43 straight months) Median Family income Median Family Income ~$55,000.00 ~$51,000.00 Price of Gas $1.84 Price of Gas $3.79 National Debt 10.8 Trillion National Debt 16.0 Trillion
JaySmith September 9, 2012 at 10:43 am
Patch readers and writers: Dave's right, and it will get WORSE. Obama has regulations set for his 2nd 4 years, to destroy our energy production even more, meaning higher prices and even power-shortages. He is a maniac.
commentmaker4 September 9, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Check the dates-plenty of blame to be spread around-if you think the failed trickle down economic policies of Bush II are the answer-vote your conscience- here's the research: Pew Social & Demographic TrendThe Middle Class Shrinks and Income Segregation Rise by D’Vera CohnI
1980, 23% of U.S. lower-income households lived in majority low-income neighborhoods; in 2010, that had risen to 28%. At the other end of the economic scale, the share of upper-income households living in majority upper-income neighborhoods doubled, to 18% in 2010 from 9% in 1980, according to a new Pew Research Center income segregation report based on census data. Income segregation also rose over the same time period in 27 of the nation’s 30 largest (in terms of households) metropolitan areas, according to the report, “The Rise of Residential Segregation by Income,” written by Paul Taylor and Richard Fry. It includes data on income segregation comparing those 30 metropolitan areas, as well as interactive maps. The increase in income segregation is a contrast to the long decline in black-white racial segregation in neighborhoods. Why would income segregation be rising? The major reason is that the share of neighborhoods that are predominantly middle income or mixed income has declined, from 85% in 1980 to 76% in 2010. In turn, the shares that are majority lower income or upper income have grown. The larger picture here is that the share of middle-income households has gone down over time. .
commentmaker4 September 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Fact Check-RE: Energy production-EIA expects U.S. total crude oil production to average 6.3 million barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2012, an increase of 0.6 million bbl/d from last year, and the highest level of production since 1997. Projected U.S. domestic crude oil production increases to 6.7 million bbl/d in 2013.
JaySmith September 10, 2012 at 12:13 am
Nice try CommentMaker: Still blaming Bush for current disaster. What has Obama done to help your case for the future? My answer is........he's made it much worse and laid the groundwork for HUGE trouble for our kids in the work-world. But go ahead, keep blaming Bush.......you're economically clueless. Obama is laying the groundwork for MORE destruction.
JaySmith September 10, 2012 at 12:20 am
CommentMaker: You may not know this, but ANY increased production, first of all is not NEARLY enough. And 2nd of all, it's due to federal land leases for oil drilling opened up and approved during the Bush years. During the Obama years, there's been NO private land and other federal and state leases allowed for drilling. AND, Obama is closing down coal mines, which produce most of our electricity. Hey CommentMaker.......don't you even know what your guy Obama WANTS ?? He wants LESS domestic oil and coal. And if he gets his way with four more years...............we.....are......freaking.....toast.
commentmaker4 September 10, 2012 at 01:36 pm
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Obama administration has granted Royal Dutch Shell permission to begin drilling preparations off the coast of Alaska, bringing the region a step closer to offshore oil production.
The news drew swift criticism from environmental groups that claim such drilling can't be done safely in the Arctic. The government's Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement said Thursday that Shell (RDSA) has been authorized to perform "certain limited preparatory activities" in the Chukchi Sea off the Alaskan coast. The activities include the installation of a safety feature below the sea floor related to blowout prevention. The company's applications to drill into potential oil reservoirs "remain under review," the bureau said.
commentmaker4 September 10, 2012 at 01:48 pm
http://youtu.be/5GQecQ06xus check with Greenspring about trickle down-
commentmaker4 September 10, 2012 at 01:51 pm
When President Obama on Tuesday declared that decades of Republican trickle-down economics "never worked," conservatives were predictably apoplectic.
But for all of their protests of "class warfare", "socialism" and worse, Obama was being kind to the Republican ideologues. After all, as the historical record shows, from economic growth and job creation to stock market performance and just about every other indicator of the health of American capitalism, the modern U.S. economy has almost always done better under Democratic presidents. Despite GOP mythology to the contrary, America generally gained more jobs and grew faster when taxes were higher (even much higher) and income inequality lower. And while the U.S. recovery from the Bush recession remains painfully slow, most economists - including the nonpartisan CBO and some of John McCain's own 2008 advisers - believe President Obama saved it from the abyss.
commentmaker4 September 10, 2012 at 02:01 pm
If you keep name calling I won't discuss this with you-You are jumping to conclusions and flying off the handle-how's that for a mixed metaphor?Actually Bush and Clinton have to share some blame-As i stated-plenty of blame to go around- it's trickle down that doesn't work whether dems or reps try to push it on us-
On the one hand, you could argue that Democrats, who controlled the White House and Congress, bear some of the blame for the economic decline in 2009 and 2010. On the other hand, you can argue that Obama doesn’t deserve the economic blame for 2009 and 2010 since the decline was shaped by the policies of his predecessor. But if you do, then it’s not equitable to hold his predecessor, President George W. Bush, to a different standard. If you argue that the economic outcomes in 2009 and 2010 result from Republican policies, then being consistent requires attributing a share of the blame for what happened in 2000 and 2001 to the policies of Bush’s predecessor, President Bill Clinton.
JaySmith September 11, 2012 at 02:31 am
CommentMaker: I have not called you names. I don't believe raising taxes on anyone would help the economy. You, apparently, disagree. And by the way, Clinton's years in the White House, and his measly tax increases, were most certainly NOT the cause of the boom in the '90s. The boom was caused by technological innovation and the fact that the U.S. led the world in production and sales of computers and related production. So your hypothesis that higher tax rates had some 'cause' for the good economy in the '90s, is just wrong. But I'll ask you this, and please answer:
You presume that higher tax rates on the higher-paids will help the economy. Then why do you think Obama/Pelosi/Reid in the 2nd half of 2009, did NOT raise rates for those higher paids ? I know why......because 1) they didn't think it would help the economy, and 2) more importantly for Dem-votes......they figured they'd keep/save the issue for future elections......class-warfare continued in the future. So they decided NOT TO. But Comment-Maker.......why do YOU think they didn't raise rates? And 2) second question......this is 2 parts if you can pay attention....why aren't you angry that they didn't ? Two questions C-M4, why didn't they and why are you not angry that they didn't ? Is that too complicated for you, or are you just going to ignore the Q's and say I am "name-calling" ? Let's hear it, and maybe even the Patch-Writers are curious to hear your answers.
JaySmith September 11, 2012 at 10:38 am
By the way Comment-Maker: Over the winter I was emailing one of the economists in Obama's White House. I asked him to explain something for me.....how is it they're screaming to raise taxes on the 'rich' when most economists (or all?) agree that tax increases on ANYONE, at ANY TIME, is a drag on private sector jobs. And he said, he agrees, and it's not the 'right time' to raise taxes when the economy is bad. They're talking about the future, when the economy gets better. So I said, good, glad he understands. So why don't they just STOP talking about it, because it certainly sounds to me like they are playing politics with the voters who do NOT know that. So the White House should, if they had any integrity or intellectual morality, should STOP talking about it this year. But of course they won't because Comment-Maker, they want to get your vote, so they are using 'tax the rich' as their main campaign slogan this year. QED. Stick a fork in your argument C-M.
JaySmith September 11, 2012 at 10:43 am
I will await your specific answers to my 2 question, below, 10:31pm Monday questions. Maybe my comment below (Tuesday am) will help you avoid errors in economic 'logic'.
commentmaker4 September 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I could do this in detail, but you can learn everything you need to know by understanding two numbers: $4.6 trillion and 14 million.
Of these, $4.6 trillion is the size of the mystery meat in the budget. Ryan proposes tax cuts that would cost $4.6 trillion over the next decade relative to current policy — that is, relative even to making the Bush tax cuts permanent — but claims that his plan is revenue neutral, because he would make up the revenue loss by closing loopholes. For example, he would … well, actually, he refuses to name a single example of a loophole he wants to close. So the budget is a fraud. No, it’s not “imperfect”, it’s not a bit shaky on the numbers; it’s completely based on almost $5 trillion dollars of alleged revenue that are pure fabrication. On the other side, 14 million is the minimum number of people who would lose health insurance due to Medicaid cuts — the Urban Institute, working off the very similar plan Ryan unveiled last year, puts it at between 14 and 27 million people losing Medicaid. That’s a lot of people — and a lot of suffering. And again, bear in mind that none of this would be done to reduce the deficit — it would be done to make room for those $4.6 trillion in tax cuts, and in particular a tax cut of $240,000 a year to the average member of the one percent.. But Obama is very rude for pointing any of this out.
commentmaker4 September 11, 2012 at 12:58 pm
To answer both your questions: the Republicans were recalcitrant when Obama tried to let the Bush cuts die. I didn't praise Clinton so I don't think you are actually reading my comments. Since no one besides me has been reading yours i think our dialogue is pointless. You have name called twice while i have been unfailingly polite. So I'm heading out on my bike with my friends to enjoy this primo weather.
JaySmith September 12, 2012 at 02:10 am
You have no clue how to answer 2 simple questions. Over and out, or 'checkmate'. I don't think you can grasp the concept of simple questions. Your START of an answer is totally ludicrous.......you say the Republicans were 'recalcitrant'. I TOLD YOU that there were 60 NON-REPUBLICANS in the Senate starting 7/1/09 for six months....Reid/Pelosi/Obama did not need ONE Repub vote. Do you not pay attention.......the 2 questions are specific and I explained that they had total control, filibuster-proof Senate......to pass any tax increase they wanted. They did not need even ONE Repub vote. Why are you so freaking dense? Over and out, nutcase. There, I name-called. And about your stupid Ryan budget projections.......wake up.....Obama and Reid don't even HAVE a budget to criticize. So you focus on Ryan's 10year projections. You don't answer questions, you have YOUR president you love but he didn't do what you want, he doesn't make a budget, he's spending 3.8T/year running us into oblivion......and YOU DON"T CARE. You want to criticize Ryan's budget?!?! Really??? Sounds like you're voting for us to become Greece/Portugal/Spain/Ireland/France.......good move C-M. I hope you have no kids, cuz you'd be voting AGAINST THEM by voting for Obama. Over and out. I actually enjoy seeing dolts like you who don't even know how to answer simple questions, because it proves to me what Obama-voters are like.... divorced from reality.
Mfl905 September 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm
cm4-you were wrong about one thing. Someone did bother to read this and Jay-
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.. So jay your arguments are irrelevant-and you don't read carefully -so don't bother to comment- I won't be interested in any of your angry diatribes..
JaySmith September 12, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Hey MFL905.......You are due back on planet earth. And I'm due at the office.

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