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Amendment Standoff Killed Pit Bull Bill

A standoff over amendments to a bill meant to overturn a Court of Appeals decision that ruled pit bulls an inherently dangerous breed ultimately spelled doom for the legislation.

"What happened was we passed it in the Senate and they passed it in the House and again what they said was 'Take it or leave it,'" said Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller following the close of the special session early Wednesday morning.

Miller said Sen. Brian Frosh, a Montgomery County Democrat and lead sponsor on the Senate version of the bill, attempted to work out a compromise with the House of Delegates.

"The House said take out amendments or nothing," Miller said.

And so it was nothing.

There still could be hope for pit bull owners.

The Court of Appeals is scheduled Thursday to take up a reconsideration of the order that started this issue.

JCF

3:03 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I certainly pray there is hope....The breed should not suffer...the owners that by the breed for the purpose of fighting and mistreatment should be the ones punished....This is just plain craziness..

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Joe

3:39 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

maybe the breeders of pit bulls should be held responsible for every injury of a pit bull. Sue the breeders of the dog for their actions.

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MR

4:52 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Every owner of every dog needs to be held respsonsible for their pets. Every dog is capable of hurting her harming someone. Remember they are animals. People need to stop singling out one breed.

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Bill Howard

10:06 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Dangerous stuff here. Judging a dog's potential for violence by what it looks like? What's next people? Hold the owner accountable for his or her dog. Even those sharp toothed little pocket book dogs.

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Paul Romney

6:34 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

As I understand it, pit bulls are bred for various traits which make them, so to speak, the semi-automatics of the dog world. However, other breeds can be lethal too, and I see no reason to single out pit bulls.

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Paul Romney

7:16 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

There's a report about aggressive pit bulls in today's Sun (p. 4).

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Tim Montoya

12:26 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

"the semi-automatics of the dog world"? What is that supposed to mean? Read the history of the pit bull and you will see why pit bulls were bred and the traits that are evident in responsibly bred pits. Like anything else, the media preys on sensationalism and shock value. No one comments or reports when a dog owner walks their pit and returns home with no incident, but those types of events outweigh the attacks and maulings that are plastered all over the internet and evening news. By your comments, I can see you are not knowledgeable about firearms or pit bulls.

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Paul Romney

10:19 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Tim -- See my comments further down the string.

M. Sullivan

11:06 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Certainly any breed can be aggressive but, bite from a Pit Bull is far more powerful than any other breed. The risk is exponentially greater. It's like the difference between owning a .22 cal pistol and a .44 Magnum. Both can potentially kill but the .44 Magnum will "blow your head clean off" with the first shot. Yesterday in Harford Co. it took 4 shotgun blasts and a bullet from a service revolver to stop a Pit Bull that was attacking a kid. These dogs are completely banned in Miami and Denver. They should be banned everywhere, except maybe for Military use.

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Arlow

10:58 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Food for thought, M. Some things are just born bad due to being bred that way, Nobody buys a pit bull because they want a loving even-tempered dog around the house.

Lois

2:17 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

It's all about the owner not the breed of the dog. There are no bad dogs just bad owners

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M. Sullivan

2:29 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

No owner has 100% control over any dog at all times. This "bad owner" vs "bad dog" argument is worthless. The fact is; if a Pit Bull has even a short loss of control or a momentary reaction from fear, surprise, or anger, the results can be a lot more devastating than from other breeds. This is strictly due to the power and structure of a Pit Bull's head and neck.
An out of control tractor trailer will do far more damage than an out of control Civic.

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Karl Schuub

2:42 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

And yet the tractor trailer owners seemingly want any extra safety restrictions to apply to civics as well even though there's no evidence that civics have ever been part of the problem. Nice example. Thanks.

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Brian

2:48 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

M. Sullivan let me correct you here. "PIT BULL" is not a breed. Pit Bull is a description for a how a dog is trained. Now there may some breeds of dogs that are better suited to be a pit bull but any dog can be trained to be a pit. You can have a LAB trained as a "PIT BULL". Any dog trained to be a "pit bull" is doing what it is trained to do when it attacks. This is where the general public is misinformed and the they speak on it as if they know.
"PIT BULL" IS NOT A BREED!!!

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Paul Romney

2:57 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

That may be true up to a point, Brian, but are Labs in fact trained as "pit bulls"? How about Pekes and Poodles? The fact is that certain characteristics are BRED into certain dogs, and it is those dogs that are "trained to be a pit". And those dogs are then purchased by people who value those characteristics, just as semi-automatics are bought by people who value their characteristics.

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Joe

3:18 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

A 'pit bull" is essentially an American Staffordshire Terrier and IS recognized by the AKC.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/index.cfm
"Until the early 19th century, the Bulldog used for bullbaiting in England was more active and longer-legged than the breed as we know it today. It is thought that the cross of this older Bulldog and a game terrier breed created the Staffordshire Terrier. Originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half or Pit Dog, it became known as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in England. When accepted for AKC registration in 1936, the name changed to American Staffordshire Terrier to reflect the heavier American type and to distinguish them as separate breeds."

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M. Sullivan

3:24 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brian C. Surely you must realize that I am referring to the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or similar crosses of the three, particularly as are being discussed in the courts and legislature. Sorry, I just don't know of any Pit Bull Poodles!

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Arlow

10:53 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I don't buy that argument.

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Brian

10:52 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

M. Sullivan , ...and this is where the problem lies, nobody really knows what a "PITBULL" is because it is not a specific breed. ....and you are correct Sir I do know the type of dogs of which you are referring. But those who are not as knowledgeable as us may not know. To generalize ,"PITBULL" is to perpetuate the unwarranted fear of most of these dogs.

Brian

3:16 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

You are correct Paul. Certain traits are bred in to dogs. But the training of those dogs play a major part in how those dogs behave. Dogs that are train to fight will fight just because. Those that are not trained to fight will fight to protect themselves. Those that are trained to be pets will be pets and loving dogs. I am old enough to remember when the same thing was said about Shepard and Dobermans. Later it was the Rottweilers. Today it seems to be the Terrier class of dog. Those folks who desire those characteristics will buy a dog with those characteristics but they have to be responsible enough to train their new pet correctly.
Just like "MAN" if left to out in the woods to fend for themselves, they will fight or flee. You have seen that young child that runs over his/her parents or has no structure. They become wild and destructive adults. Hmmm....dog will do the same.

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Paul Romney

3:24 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Bottom line. If you want a dog that will kill, then the pit bull, aka American Staffordshire terrier, is your dog of choice.

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Joe

3:38 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

American Staffordshire Terrier (pit bull) IS a breed and IS recognized by the AKC.

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Brian

4:18 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

American Staffordshire Terrier is a breed Recognized by the AKC. Pit Bull is not. Pit Bull is a label given to dog that fights in a pit. How hard is that for people to get that ?
Bottom line if you want a dog the will kill aka Dalmatian , train it to kill. If you want a dog for a pet, train it.aka Am Staff.
Lack of knowledge is dangerous.

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Brian

4:30 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

What is funny is I have never owned nor do I desire to own an AM Staff. I just think it is wrong when people fall victim to the ignorance of the media. DO YOUR HOMEWORK people.

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Joe

4:41 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brian i think you are confused. See the AKC description regarding the BULL part of the breed. It has nothing at all to do with pits or fighting other dogs. "the Bulldog used for bullbaiting"

Lack of knowledge is dangerous as you attest.

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Brian

7:58 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@ Joe, Bulldogs were used for bullbaiting. This is correct but the "PITBULL" is directly related to the fighting of dogs in pits. No questioning that. It still doesnt change my statement that PITBULL is not a breed. It is a generalized type of dogs and dog mixes.
Lack of knowledge is dangerous

Joe

4:38 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brian, here is what they say on the AKC website! "Until the early 19th century, the Bulldog used for bullbaiting in England was more active and longer-legged than the breed as we know it today. It is thought that the cross of this older Bulldog and a game terrier breed created the Staffordshire Terrier. Originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half or Pit Dog, it became known as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in England. When accepted for AKC registration in 1936, the name changed to American Staffordshire Terrier to reflect the heavier American type and to distinguish them as separate breeds."

Pit bulls are American Staffordshire Terriers.

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Buck Harmon

6:36 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

How can you prove that a pit bull is a pit bull and not a cross that might appear to be?

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Brian

8:03 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

So you pulled PITBULL from PIT dog. hmmm...... why not call it a BullHalfPit dog? Or HalfBullPit dog? Come on man you are reaching trying to make a PITBULL a breed. It just isnt a breed.

Buck Harmon

6:34 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

This is nothing more than very poor lawmakers continuing to create bad law that will never be able able to be equally enforced...a total waste of time that discriminates and will NEVER keep anyone safer. These guys are real dummies. Typical piss poor perceived leadership.

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Paul Romney

7:33 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

To be fair, Buck, the "lawmakers" did not "make a law". That is the purport of Bryan Sears' report. Their inaction leaves the law in the state that the judges declared it. Things could be worse.

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breeder

10:42 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Are you a moron 'Buck?' Lawmakers didn't do this. The Court did. And quite frankly, what the court did was hold someone responsible for the brutal mauling of a young child by a dangerous animal. I understand the problems with the decision and I agree that parts should be overturned. But please try to be an educated poster and not a total idiot. Don't you think this young child who was brutally attacked should be compensated? Shouldn't any innocent victim of an attack like this be compensated? Speak when you know what you are speaking about, Buck.

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Buck Harmon

11:21 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Breeder, This is not about the incident that you describe....it's about corrupt courts and bad law makers. Calling me a moron only proves that you are an un educated poster with regard to what both the court and the lawmakers have done here. I do feel sorry for any human being that is harmed in any way, including those damaged by bad law and bad court rulings....think your emotions got the best of you here.

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Arlow

10:56 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

You didn't read the article, Buck. The lawmakers were addressing the pit bull issue because of a court decision. And indeed, that was certainly an emergency worth calling a special session for. >eye roll<

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BreederII

1:04 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Buck. So nice of you to feel bad for dog bite victims. Sadly, your feelings don't help compensate someone when they end up with scars on their face or the suffering of terror of being attacked. The civil justice system does that. The 'bad law' that you speak of compensates a child victim of a dog mauling. What exactly is bad about that? Shouldn't everyone be held responsible when their animal attacks another person? Or should we just accept that you feel bad for them? Do us a favor and don't run for office.

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Brian

1:11 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

@BreederII The problem is the bill is breed specific. It does hold all dog owners to the same standard.On top of that it was also trying to open up landlord to unjust law suits by making them strictly liable. Unacceptable!!!

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Buck Harmon

2:38 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

BreederII, I have no problem at all with holding the owner of any dog that harms someone accountable... the problem comes from singling out one perceived breed, in this case the Pit Bull. Any law that is made should be applied equally to all breeds and all owners. To single out one breed is in my opinion discriminatory and therefore very bad law that will be difficult to enforce fairly. If you encourage discrimination, I would have to ask that you never run for office and also that you re think your position here....it's wrong in my opinion.

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Brian

2:58 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

ooopssss should have said * doesnt hold all dogs to the same standard.*

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BreederIII

4:38 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Buck. So. Now that you have said that you think all owners should be held accountable (a good opinion in my opinion), you should apologize to the State Senate. The Senate passed a bill in Special Session to do just that. Why you criticized the legislature is beyond me. The Court? Yes. The House of Delegates? Yes. But if you did your homework instead of spouting off about leadership, you would know that the Senate of Maryland passed the very bill you say you support. The House of Delegates decided not to go along.

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BreederIII

4:41 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Don't you think you owe it to the blog reading public to be correct before you spout off opinions, Buck. The Senate voted to overturn the breed specific law created by the Court. The Senate voted to make sure innocent victims of all bites were protected under the law. The Senate did exactly the right thing.

NoPower

6:57 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

The laws need to give the people who breed and fight these dogs harsher sentences. Everyone thinks that they can do a vick who should still be in jail if for nothing else for being downright stupid and an animal abuser and killer. He didn't know it was against the law. Duh!
Any dog can bite and can be dangerous and can bite. The power of their jaws is what makes it more damaging.
Not all Pits are killers.

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Jim Jones

11:59 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

There was a lady bit by a dog Saturday afternoon at the shopping center near Honeygo BL. and Joppa Rd. The fire engine, ambulance, and police responded. I am curious as to what breed of dog it was and the details of the incident. I was suprised to not see a story in the Patch about it.

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Buck Harmon

10:13 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Much of the problem for this breed is associated with the name that they were given...if they were called Pansy Poo's they would not have the negative mean sounding stigma.

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Paul Romney

10:18 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Buck, you're pushing it a bit here. There's a reason they're not called Pansy Poos. But in any case the facts are in on pit bulls.

I am sorry that "Breeder" used the word moron. He let the side down.

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Brian

10:37 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@Paul the facts are in and let us let them speak for themselves.

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Buck Harmon

10:39 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Agreed...I did push it, but if they were called Pansy Poo's they would not be perceived in the same way that they are now.

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Brian

10:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

lol Buck you have a point. LOL A miniature pincher named "Killer" is cute. A Doberman Pincher by the same name is intimidating. LOL

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